Showing posts with label Emergent Church.. Show all posts
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Wednesday, April 22, 2015

The Spin of Sin: The Sinister-Spinster-Sinner

As many of you know, I have been back and forth lately with Dan Trabue over a number of issues th century and to excommunicate those who refuse to receive said dogma with all humility. The purpose of this post is to show the reader how Dan claims one thing and thing tries to say that he is not claiming the very thing he is claiming. It is the same slight-of-hand nonsense we observed in men like Rob Bell, Doug Pagitt, and Brian McLaren.
related to the biblical expression of Christianity. Dan is one of those emergent guys, and he seems to think he can replace nearly every basic doctrine of historic Christian orthodoxy while retaining his identity as Christian. This is due in no small part to his uncritical acceptance of postmodern philosophy coupled with the Church’s true failure to rightly emphasize Christian dogma in the late 20

Dan’s first claim is that ANE writers did not write with the same aim of modern historians. What Dan means is that ANE writers were more concerned with doing something other than just transmitting historical facts as they occurred when they wrote. First of all, like any good slight of hand movement, there is some truth in the statement. However, the statement is much more controversial Dan admits. Second, the statement is far too general. Third, the statement assumes that the Ancient Hebrew Scriptures follow the ANE model in recording historical narrative, which also assumes that the motivation and forces behind the Hebrew Scriptures were the same as every other ANE text. That these assumptions are patently false seems obvious to anyone but those with the most extreme prejudice. Dan’s view destroys the universal fall humanity and, along with it, the doctrine of original sin. If there was no literal Adam to fall, there could be no literal, universal fall. If Adam was not the federal head of man, there was no federal head of man. If that is true, men can obtain righteousness and be saved apart from Christ by simply not sinning. Yet, Dan spins, claiming to believe that we are all sinners even though he has removed the very foundation for his own claims.

Luke Included Adam and Seth in his genealogy
I pointed out that Luke, in his genealogy of Christ, include Adam and Seth among the many other generations from Christ back to Adam. My reason for doing so was so that Dan might realize that Luke, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, accepted the view that Adam and Seth were historical people living at a point in time. Dan rejected Luke’s account although he provided no alternative explanation and then claimed that we do not know what God’s opinion of what Luke wrote might be. Now, if Dan believes Luke was wrong, he must also believe that God believes that Luke was wrong. Yet, he says we just don’t know God’s opinion of Luke’s account. I suppose Dan could argue that Luke mixes myth and legend into geological records while providing a certification of the historicity of Christ and his Messianic office. But such a move would seem to be, not just logically incoherent and absurd, it would be philosophically outrageous. Yet, Dan denies holding the view that Luke’s writings are unreliable. He wants to attest that Luke is reliable while claiming on this point that Luke was wrong, or in other words, unreliable. This is the two-faced spin that emergent thinkers love to play games with. They hold a view while claiming NOT to hold a view. How long did we know that Rob Bell rejected the Scriptures and endorsed homosexual sex before he finally came out and admitted it?

Dan has repeatedly said the Bible is not the Word of God and that the Scriptures are not binding, nor ipso facto, claiming that this was just Paul’s opinion. At the same time, Dan has attempted to employ a certain authority over me by informing me that I cannot slander him because slander is forbidden. I have to ask, by whom? Whose authority forbids me to slander? Oh, the same text that forbids slander is the text that Dan wants to argue in another place has no authority and is not binding. And then Dan wants people to believe that he really doesn’t believe the things I am accusing him of. Once again, we see the sinister spin of the sinister sinner at work. It really is outrageous and would be comical if it were not so wicked and rebellious.
authoritative on our lives. Having grown tired of generalities, I took Dan to Paul as he was pronouncing a curse on anyone who dared disagree with him on the gospel. Paul wrote with all authority on the matter. There can be no doubt that Paul, in the very least, was under the impression he had a right to claim that his version of the gospel was the standard and that no one had any right to proclaim even a slightly different one. Dan rejects Paul’s authority

In addition to Dan’s denial of a literal Adam which must mean a denial of a literal fall and the necessity for a literal redemption in Christ, Dan has denied the reliability of Luke along with the authority of Paul specifically and all of Scripture in general. At the same time, Dan wants us to believe that he is a Christian. Now, as one might guess, Dan also embraces homosexuality. Dan claims that marriage and sex are open to all that want it and that God is perfectly fine with such arrangements. I am sure Dan has read the supposed apologetic for gay Christianity and is familiar with those weak and ridiculous arguments. The point here is that gay sex is described by Scripture not only as a sin, but as a perversion of the natural design of the human body. And the larger point is that commandment breaking can never be a part of the Christian community regardless of how many OSAS hard-core dispensational guys preach that it can be. The view that Christ can be your Savior even though He is not your Lord crawled up out of the sewers of hell even if it did so through well-intentioned men. Dan’s endorsement of same-sex relationships precludes him from the community of faith even if he says that it does not.


In the end, due to Dan’s beliefs and their implications for Christian doctrine and their impact on the Christian community, we have to challenge his claim that he possesses genuine faith. Many people came along in the first century church making the same claims. But upon closer inspection, they were found out to be false teachers, false prophets, and false converts. The same is not any less true today. The difference is that today’s church hardly ever inspects a person’s claim to know Christ. They simply take it at face value and conduct no due diligence whatsoever. We have to be more prudent about how we conduct ourselves in the Christian community. We don’t start out doubting a person’s faith. That is not what I am saying. I am saying that new arrivals must be known. We spend time with them. We have conversations with them. We observe their life. What do they believe and how do they conduct themselves? When we begin to hear things that trouble us, we must push into those issues and understand more about their claims and beliefs. When we bump into guys like Dan, we engage in conversation and eventually end up where we have ended up. We ask the person to repent of their unbelieving views, submit to Scripture with all humility, and call on their elders to teach them a more pure form of the Christian system. When they are persistent in their refusal to accept and believe Christian dogma, we are equally persistent in refusing their testimony and view them as a wolf instead of a sheep. Those facts are published for the rest of the community so that everyone is aware and protected from those who would bring damnable heresies into the body of Christ. When men like Dan collect other cavils of like-mind and run down the street to start their own group, we treat them with contempt and shame, refusing to extend the slightest degree of respect and honor to them because they reflect a shameful and despicable version of Christianity that does far more harm than it does good to the Christian way.


Don't take the pictures too seriously. They are mere my way of interjecting a little sarcasm, you know, a literary device not to be taken overly literal. 

Friday, July 18, 2014

Scripture In The Hands Of An Angry Sinner


κα κυρώσατε τν λόγον το θεο δι τν παράδοσιν μν. And by this you revoke the Word of God through your tradition. (Matt. 15:6) It was during an exchange with the Pharisees and Scribes over the tradition of hand-washing that Jesus issued this stinging rebuke. The controversy began over the ceremonial tradition of washing hands.

Mishnah Yadayim (“hands”) describes the procedure: “[To render the hands clean] a quarter-log or more [of water] must be poured over the hands [to suffice] for one person or even for two.” A quarter-log of water is equal in bulk to an egg and a half,235 which was poured over the hands up to the wrists prior to the consumption of food. Such a small amount of water demonstrates that the concern for washing was ceremonial, not hygienic.”[1]

The Pharisees had taken the law of God much further than even God intended. They mixed their own teachings with the law and even elevated their traditions to the place of Scripture. This is indeed a dangerous practice. The sole authority governing the lives of men is the authority of God Himself. The commandments, traditions, and programs of men are just that: programs of men. But when men begin to elevate their traditions, their personal convictions, and their programs and impose them on others, they enter a domain reserved only for our Creator. However, contrary to what many liberals think, it isn’t only the binding of new laws on men that is the problem. The crux of the problem is that the laws of God are being undermined and misapplied regardless of it is adding to them or taking away from them. The end result is that God’s word is being rejected, invalided, and disregarded. And that is the problem. In other words, the Word of God is binding. Any attempt to relieve the obligation one has to the Word of God is an attempt to relieve oneself from their duty to God. God and His word are inseparable.

The Pharisees’ unwillingness to humbly submit to God’s Word resulted in a handling of the Sacred Scriptures that Jesus said resulted in making null and void the Word of God. For some reason, liberals along with many in the emergent church think that because the Pharisees were religious conservatives that somehow this means only modern religious conservatives could possibly commit the sort of error their supposed counterparts committed in Jesus’ day. I intend to show that if anyone is a modern Pharisee, it is not the typical conservative reformed or evangelical Christian.

In modern American Christianity, more unbelievers, more unregenerate sinners, more unqualified men than ever before involved in the handling of Scripture. What is the reason for this modern explosion of anti-Christian attitudes toward the teachings of Scripture and even the nature of Scripture itself? It really is quite simple: social media, the internet, and self-publishing are the basic ingredients for what is simply an explosion of heretical views challenging what appears to be every basic teaching of Christianity that has ever been established. Everyone now thinks they are experts in interpreting Scripture. And the really big problem is that we now have more unregenerate people than ever blogging, writing, and commenting on Christian teachings. When you couple that with the abandonment of theological training in the Churches for the past twenty to thirty years, what you have is nothing short than a recipe for spiritual disaster. And that is precisely where we are.

The most basic requirement for handling Scripture is that the handler, the interpreter, be filled with the Holy Spirit. Apart from the presence of the Holy Spirit, handling Sacred Scripture is by far the most dangerous endeavor a person could could ever attempt. Calvin writes,

If we desire to provide in the best way for our consciences – that they may not be perpetually beset by the instability of doubt of vacillation, and that they may not also boggle at the smallest quibbles – we ought to seek our conviction in a higher place than human reasons, judgments, or conjectures, that is, in the secret testimony of the Spirit. [Institutes, I.vii. 4, 78]

Far too little attention is given to this truth in modern debates and controversies surrounding the teachings of Christian theology. Indeed the state of affairs is confusing given the very basic requirement of regeneration in the hermeneutical enterprise. It is as if many modern reformed and evangelical scholars have forgotten that one must have been converted to Christ through the preaching of the gospel in order to have a seat at the table of the Christian discussion and pursuit of truth. Essentially, we find ourselves in continual debate with people that aren’t even regenerated by the Holy Spirit about what the Church is and is not, believes and does not believe, confesses and does not confess. The homosexual issue is a perfect example. We would not argue with a whore or a prostitute or and adulterer about the status of their salvation so why do we go back and forth endlessly with the homosexual groups? These are unbelievers that are not interested in Christian truth. They are interested in immorality and self-justification. How should we handle their attacks? I will comeback to that later.

John Calvin was adamant that the Holy Spirit is necessary to understand Scripture. This is surely bound up in a false anthropology but also a very flawed bibliology. Many Christians display a very poor understanding of the nature of Scripture. Without a right understanding of the nature of Scripture, it is impossible to rightly interpret it. A sound theology of Scripture is an essential component of hermeneutics. In addition to that, a sound anthropology and hamartiology are essential components in a sound theology of Scripture. Is it any wonder then that we are giving a wink and a nod to people who claim to know the Bible when the fruit of their life indicates that they don’t even know Christ?

Bavinck is on target when he writes, “The Christian character of truth can be assessed solely because it is rooted with all its fibers in Holy Scripture. There is no knowledge of Christ apart from Scripture, no fellowship with him except by fellowship in the word of the apostles.” [Bavinck, Reformed Dogmatics, vol. I, 472.] We are liberated from sin and death by Scripture. We are born again by Scripture. We are sanctified by Scripture. We know Christ only by Scripture. Everything we are and everything we know and understand owe to Scripture. Apart from Scripture we remain dead in our trespasses and sins, blind, ignorant, groping about in darkness, filled with wickedness, and violent despisers of all that is holy. Here we see and understand that Scripture is essential for all things Christian.

What then of those who would tell us that Scripture is an open debate? What about those whose hermeneutic is such that it basically rewrites all that Scripture teaches? And finally, what about those whose theology of Scripture is based more on pagan philosophy than of Scripture itself? Do we engage them? Yes, we do and we must engage them. But we must be careful how we engage them. We cannot give the impression to any one that we believe we are talking to a regenerate person unless we have good cause to think it is so. For those who reject the Christian ethic and live in the debauchery of gay sex we have no choice but to lovingly but firmly and sharply rebuke their attempts to force their immoral lifestyles on the Christian community. We may engage them in a loving exchange of the truth but not endlessly. After a few exchanges, once we see they have no interest in hearing the soundness of Scriptural teaching on the matter, we must shake the dust off our feet and resist casting our perils before the swine.

See this article: Gays seek to dominate religion

For example, the Church cannot continually engage Matthew Vine without also calling him out for what he is openly. He is not a Christian, he is not an evangelical, and he does not know Christ. His book is to be condemned and other Christians are to be warned to avoid him and his materials. What we cannot do is pretend that Matthew Vine is a misguided Christian in need to some counsel. He has had a multitude of counsel and nothing has changed. Jesus instructs us to place him out of the community in hopes that he will repent. We must understand that these are not people who are Christians needing guidance. We can no longer allow Scripture to be in the hands of angry sinners. People like this have to be called out for what they are.

“But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. 10 Reject a factious man after a first and second warning, 11 knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.” Tt 3:9–11

Paul tells us that when factious people arise in the Church challenging the teachings that have been handed down to us from Christ and His apostles, we are to warn them a few times and then we are to reject them.





[1] Clinton E. Arnold, Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary: Matthew, Mark, Luke, vol. 1 (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2002), 95.

The Myth of Grey Areas

 In this short article, I want to address what has become an uncritically accepted Christian principle. The existence of grey areas. If you ...