Bob Seidensticker over a Patheos
wrote a piece a couple of years ago regarding the ten most common arguments of
atheism regarding its basis for rejecting Christianity and defended those
arguments. The format of Bob’s post is basically a rebuttal to the Christian
rebuttal that the argument in question fails. Well, this is a rebuttal to the
rebuttal.
1.
There is no evidence for God’s existence.
This is the most common claim
from atheism. To fair to Bob, he does not claim that there is no
evidence for God’s existence, only that there is not enough evidence to believe
that God exists or that the evidence we have is insufficient, weak, or just
plain bad. Now, I will admit up front that many Christians employ lots of really
bad arguments for God’s existence and a host of other claims made by
Christianity. It is my goal to help you avoid making these basic mistakes when
proclaiming and defending the claims of Christianity, especially, the gospel of
the kingdom.
Before I just plunge into Bob’s
claim that the evidence for God’s existence is inadequate, or lacking in some
way, I want to deal with a presupposition that Bob brings to the discussion and
ask Bob to defend his belief. That’s right, my first objective is to put Bob on
the defensive rather than allow Bob to send me off to do all the work. I don’t
mind doing work that is necessary and useful. And if Bob asks me a question
that requires work on my part, I shall not attempt to avoid my responsibility.
But no atheist who claims that the evidence for God’s existence is lacking or
inadequate has ipso facto given us work to do. They must do more than
that. They must give us a defense of their beliefs around the need for
evidences and precisely the degree and type of evidence necessary to support a
specific kind of belief. This puts the work back on the atheist. This is the
first thing we ought to do with these sorts of atheistic claims.
Second, for the edification of
the Christian, you must ask whether or not you have any sort of obligation,
ethical or otherwise, to argue for and support the Christian claim that the God
revealed in Scripture actually exists. It is one thing to proclaim God’s
existence, but it is another thing to convince yourself that you have to give
objective proof for that existence. What if God has said that he himself has
given enough proof for his own existence? Would we be acting contrary to God if
we thought that we had to do something more than simply state what God has
already stated? The Christian has an obligation in these situations, but it is
not what most apologists claim.
Third, providing proof and
persuasion are not the same thing. I can provide all sorts of sound arguments
that prove God’s existence but that is not going to persuade men to believe
that God exists and that Christianity is true. You see, Christians are not
interested in persuading men to believe that God exists. We are interested in
seeing men come to true faith in Christ. Christian apologetics is should not be
a hobby for the intellectually bored Christian seeking to entertain one’s
intellect or boost an ego. The apostle Paul gave us the textbook example for doing
apologetics in Acts 17. He provided a sound argument. Everything he said was
true and right. But he persuaded almost no one! Now
when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked. But others said,
“We will hear you again about this.” So Paul went out from their midst. But
some men joined him and believed, among whom also were Dionysius the Areopagite
and a woman named Damaris and others with them. [Acts
17:32-34]
Fourth, when the gospel is
presented accurately, the atheist will examine it in light of their own criteria
and always determine that it is moronic and irrational. For
the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are
being saved it is the power of God. [1 Cor. 1:18] This is why Paul goes
on to say, look around you and notice, there are not a lot of philosophers in
the Christian ranks. There is a reason for that! God has deliberately purposed
to call few of those types to himself. He has deliberately purposed to call few
from the rich, the mighty and the powerful. Few successful businessmen are
called. Few politicians are called. Few from the powerful are called. Where is the one
who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God
made foolish the wisdom of the world? [1 Cor. 1:20] And again, For
consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly
standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. [1 Cor.
1:26] Yet, for some reason, many Christian apologists have as their primary
motive the goal to restore the intellectual credibility of Christianity to
these very elites of society. We preach Christ crucified and God alone persuades
men and he does so without our sophistry, our arguments, or our rhetoric. Any
persuasive attempts we make are simply demonstrated in a passionate
presentation and defense of the gospel.
Now, back to the most common atheist objection we
encounter: There is no evidence for God’s existence. The first thing you want
to do is to respond to the atheist with two questions: 1) What do you mean by “God?”
This forces the atheist to get specific about the God for which he claims there
is either no or insufficient evidence for.
This is important. Do not skip this step. 2) What do you mean by
evidence? This is the more complex question and it gives the Christian the
opportunity to dissect the atheist’s epistemology. As you can see, when this
objection is issued to the Christian, the Christian ought to turn the tables on
the atheist and put him on the defensive. You should know that no atheist worth
his salt would claim that there is no evidence for God. The minute an
atheist says that to me, I know that I am dealing with an unskilled and
ignorant individual. At least I know what I am dealing with in advance.
Seidensticker goes on to say, As for atheists
demanding evidence, well yeah. How else do we reliably understand something? If
you sense a truth in a vague way that no one else can experience or verify,
that may be important to you, but it is useless in convincing others. You
wouldn’t be convinced by that argument from some other religion, so why should
I accept it from you? Once again, Seidenstricker will have to do better
than this. Does Seidensticker believe that all truths come with the same kind
of evidence? I had a dream this week that I went sky diving. How on earth can I
prove this to Seidensticker or anyone else for that matter? Does my inability
to prove that I had this dream mean that I should abandon the belief or that
the belief is somehow irrational, inferior, or lacking in some way? You see,
Seidensticker goes too far in this statement. The question is not that our
arguments have to be convincing. The question is whether or not God exists and
whether or not the Christian belief that he does exist is somehow unwarranted,
irrational, unjustifiable, and should be abandon. Second, if Siedensticker were
given the very same evidence that Christians have for their belief in God, he
would be convinced of its truthfulness. That is the claim Christianity makes.
Third, Seidensticker has enough evidence to know that God exists. Even though
he does not have the same amount or quality of evidence that a Christian has,
he has enough evidence to conclude that God is there and that God is his
creator. Romans 1:19-20 – “For what can be known about God is plain to them,
because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his
eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the
creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without
excuse.” You see, according to God, I can say with the fullest authority and
conviction that Bob Seidensticker indeed has more than enough evidence to
conclude that God exists. In fact, I can say that Bob Seidensticker knows that
God exists even though he willingly suppresses that knowledge so that in his
own experience and by his own doing, he thinks that he does not know that God
exists because he has truly and successfully deceived himself into thinking
that he does not have this knowledge of God.
Hypothetical Exchange with Bob
Bob S – We should have
sufficient evidence for all our beliefs. There is insufficient evidence for the
belief that God exists. Therefore, we should not believe that God exists.
Response – Why do beliefs require
any evidence, let alone sufficient evidence?
Bob S – Sufficient
evidence is required if beliefs are to be considered rational.
Response – Can you provide
sufficient evidence for your belief that all rational beliefs are accompanied
with sufficient evidence?
Bob S – The belief that
all beliefs should have evidence supporting them is self-evident.
Response
– To say that a belief is self-evident is to say that its denial entails a
contradiction. How does the denial of the belief that all beliefs should have
evidence entail a contradiction? To say that a belief is self-evident is to say
that it is a basic belief and such beliefs are not based on any other belief.
But the belief that all beliefs should have evidence is not a basic
belief. It is based on the belief that there are degrees of evidence that
warrant belief and that do not. The very argument you are putting forward
introduces the concept of ethics of belief. Clearly then, the belief that all
beliefs should have evidence supporting them requires evidence supporting it. I
don’t believe that atheism is capable of providing such evidence.
Bob S – Are you saying
that beliefs do not require evidence supporting them?
Response
– No, I am not saying that at all. I am saying the type of belief always
determines the sort of evidence that should accompany it. There must be some
standard by which beliefs are measured in order to determine if they should be
received or rejected. For the Christian, that standard is divine revelation, or
what you know as the Bible. Here is where you would transition to a positive
presentation of the gospel. This is your objective from the start.
The
practice of apologetics is the practice of proclaiming the gospel. A perfectly
holy God created man. Man rebelled against his creator and as a result was
cursed by God. Man died in his sin, separated from God. God, rich in mercy,
sent his Son to live and die on behalf of man. Christ kept the perfect law of
righteousness for us but he also took our punishment, dying on the cross for
the sin and rebellion we committed against God. Faith in Christ saves man from
his cursed condition. Because Christ raised from the dead we can know that
faith in his name results in eternal life for us as well. Whoever confesses
Christ and believes that God has raised him from the dead, that one shall be
saved.
Do
you want to do the work of an apologist? Then begin and end with the life-changing
power of the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is the most potent weapon against
unbelief that God has entrusted to the Church.
Clifford B. McManis, Biblical
Apologetics
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