Showing posts with label Presuppositionalism. Show all posts
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Friday, February 10, 2017

Freedom: There Can Be Only One

This is a follow-up to my previous post on divine knowledge. What does God know, when does God know, how does God know? Essentially, what is the nature of divine knowledge? In that post I made and defended the claim that God’s knowledge is perfect and all-encompassing. I also made the claim that God’s knowledge is grounded in God’s will. This means that God’s knowledge is indelibly connected to His freedom. Those who posit a libertarian view of human freedom, if my view is correct, are also positing a view that contradicts divine freedom. And unless there is divine freedom, God’s knowledge cannot be all-encompassing. In short, if human beings possess an absolute free will as is expressed by most modern Christians, then God’s knowledge must be limited. There is no other option outside of a blatant logical contradiction. Below is essentially, “What Does God Know – Part II.”
If it is true that God’s knowledge is grounded in God’s will, and it is also true that nothing in the created order, to include human beings, can do anything contrary to God’s will, then in what sense can we say that human beings are responsible for their choices in this life? A very common belief in popular Christianity claims that in order to defend culpability, humans must be free. And it is also asserted that in order to defend divine justice, humans must be free. The idea of a determinative will and knowledge in God seems to contradict the idea of a just Creator. The goal of this section is to defend both the biblical teaching that God’s knowledge is exhaustive, complete, and grounded in his will and that God is just in his condemnation of sinful human behaviors. It is my firm conviction that these two beliefs are not contradictory the one to the other, and that they are both plainly taught in Scripture. The case study that will be employed to support this model of divine knowledge and human responsibility is the crucifixion of our Lord Jesus Christ. This is an event that was determined by divine will and known by God from all eternity. Yet, this event required innumerable choices and acts by a large number of human beings across thousands of years in order for it to become actualized.
What does the Bible affirm about the crucifixion of Jesus Christ? I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.” (Gen 3:15) Very early in the history of human existence, the need for and promise of an atoning Savior became apparent. Too often we read this promise and give very little attention to all the necessary connections, people, events, and decisions that were absolutely essential to bring this promise to realization. The question that immediately emerges is, did God will the fall? In other words, was the fall of man something that God decreed? Was God’s promise in Genesis 3 along with his curse a reaction of God? In the Westminster Shorter Catechism, Question 7, What are the decrees of God? The decrees of God are his eternal purpose, according to the counsel of his will, whereby, for his own glory, he hath foreordained whatsoever comes to pass. (Eph. 1:4,11, Rom. 9:22–23)[1] Did God foreordain the fall of man? To use the language of this paper, did God will the fall of man? Since the divine will and the divine decree in this context refer to the same act of God, it is necessarily true that God willed or decreed or planned the fall of man prior to His creative act. This is true since no temporal act can occur prior to God’s eternal knowledge of that act. It is also true because no temporal act can occur apart from God’s decretive act. To know, or foreknow an uncertainty, is to know or foreknow a non-entity.[2] To know that x is a possibility is not to know x. To know that the Atlanta Falcons could win the super bowl is not knowing that the Atlanta Falcons will win the super bowl. God’s free knowledge is true knowledge of reality.
The most important aspect of the Divine decree is, that it brings all things that come to pass in space and time into a plan. There can be no system of the universe, if there be no Divine purpose that systematizes it. Schemes in theology which reject the doctrine of the Divine decree, necessarily present a fractional and disconnected view of God, man, and nature.[3]
Shedd is indeed correct to call us back to Scripture in this respect. There is an eternal purpose in God’s decree that shall indubitably show itself prominently in the case study I have selected to illustrate the point of this paper. The plan and purpose of the crucifixion existed prior to creation.
The case study begins with the inaugural sermon of the Church delivered by Peter, the leading apostle of the early Church. Peter says that Jesus the Nazarene was delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God. Three words are used in this sermon that deserve attention. The first word is horizō and in this context is means “to make a determination about an entity, determine, appoint fix, set.” It is use in Luke 22:22 where Jesus said that the Son of Man goes “as it has been determined” speaking of Jesus’ crucifixion. It is used in Acts 10:42 where Peter says that Jesus has been appointed by God to be the judge of all men. It is used by Paul in Acts 17:26 where Paul says that God has determined the periods and boundaries of all nations. A few verses later he echoes Peter’s belief that Jesus has been appointed to be the standard by which all men will be judged. The second word employed by Peter is of equal importance: boulē. In this context, the will of God refers to that which God has decided. It is a resolution or a decision that is clearly in view. In other words, the two words appearing together tell us that Jesus the Nazarene was delivered over by the determinate, fixed, set plan, resolution, and decision of God. Prior to the crucifixion, God had already decided, planned, and determined that Christ would be crucified. The crucifixion was something that came to be as a result of God’s eternal purpose. The third word is prognosis. It is translated foreknowledge. This word speaks to God’s predetermination. The construction of this phrased is critical to a proper interpretation of the text. Although most scholars treat this phrase as a dative of instrument, it may be better to call it dative of rule (“in conformity with”; Wallace 1996, 158): “in accord with the intention and foreknowledge.”[4] Peter repeated this basic idea a little later, “But what God foretold by the mouth of all the prophets, that his Christ would suffer, he thus fulfilled.” That which God has willed, God knew. That which God freely knows, God wills. The two are bound up in one another so that both must either be true or false. Before the beginning of time, the Christ event was included in the divine decree. I will devote more time to this below. We now come to Peter’s prayer, “for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place.” (Acts 4:27-28) Here we have the same Greek words employed that we see in Acts 2:23: horizō and boulē. The people in this city came together to execute God’s divine plan, God’s purpose, God’s will. We would ask if what these sinful men did in that city was the most wicked of all sins? It seems to me that there could be no greater sin than the unjust murder of God. And yet, Scripture reveals to every Christian in this text, openly and clearly, that even the most egregious sin ever committed by men was determined by God in eternity past. And even though it was determined by God in eternity past, these men freely acted to accomplish it. God decreed what men would freely do. God remains in sovereign control and these men are rightly culpable for their actions.
1 Peter 1:20, Christ as a sacrifice was “foreordained before the foundation of the world.”[5] God’s plan to redeem is eternal. Eph. 1:4 says he chose us in him before the foundation of the world. 2 Thess. 2:13 says that God has chosen you from the beginning to salvation. Paul wrote to Timothy, saying, “who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity.” (2 Tim. 1:9) Prior to the beginning of time, the grace of God in Christ who saves us was granted to us. In other words, our salvation was secure prior to the beginning of time. Paul uses the same expression in Titus 1:2, in the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised long ages ago. Long ages ago is the expression “before the ages” or before time became.
Shedd is correct when he says that the divine decree is universal. It applies to good acts, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them. It applies to evil acts, like the crucifixion of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Acts 2:23) “In other words, God’s purpose embraces the means along with the end, the cause along with the effect, the condition along with the result of issue suspended upon it; the order, relations and dependencies of all events, as no less essential to the divine plan than the events themselves.”[6] There is no such thing as a state of affairs that exists or comes to be that rests outside the divine decree. For the Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of evil. (Prov. 16:4) There isn’t anything that happens that is without divine purpose. Modern Christians express the belief that God reacts to less than desirable events, and then makes those events work for their good and God’s glory. The event of the crucifixion points us in exactly the opposite direction. Every event from the creation to the second coming of Christ revolves around the event of the crucifixion. This is why it serves as the exemplar for illustrating the point of this paper. The entire revelation of God given to the Church in Holy Scripture centers around the event of the atonement. God is revealed to be a holy God who redeems unholy and rebellious men and enters into covenant relationship with them. And this revelation is nowhere made more clear than at the cross. “Christ has come as the end-time Adam to do what the first Adam should have done and to reflect his Father’s image perfectly and to enable his people to have that image restored in them. In so doing, Christ is restarting history, which is a new-creational age to be successfully consummated at his final coming.”[7]
For the Son of Man goes as it has been determined, but woe to that man by whom he is betrayed!” (Lu. 22:22) The Son of Man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.” (Matt. 26:24) For the Son of Man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born. (Mk. 14:21) While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. (John 17:12) Jesus here points out that the only unguarded among the disciples was Judas. And the reason Judas was unguarded was so that Scripture might be fulfilled. John 10:35 tells us that Scripture cannot be broken. In these four passages we see Jesus referring to Scripture each and every time when he talks about Judas’ betrayal. It was Jesus who also expressed his firm conviction that the Scriptures cannot be broken. What does this mean if you are Judas living in these events at the time? Some Christians claim that we possess a libertarian freedom, an absolute ability to always choose contrary to the choices we make. Is this true? Is it possible that Judas could have chosen at any point in time in his life not to betray Christ? Could the state of affairs have developed through the free will choices of other human beings that would have resulted in Judas not betraying Christ or even not being the man to betray Christ? Did God have a contingency plan just in case Judas or someone else chose to act in a way so as to frustrate God’s plan, his eternal decree?
If it is actually the case that Judas could have chosen not to betray Christ, then it is also the case that it was always possible that the prophecies concerning his betrayal would fail, resulting in false prophecy and reclassifying the respective prophets as false prophets. This would mean that Isaiah 53 could have possibly been wrong, a false prophecy. This would have made Isaiah a false prophet. This would mean that the Word of God could have failed contrary to Paul’s argument in Romans 9 that it has not! More importantly, this would mean that it is possible that there are other interpretations of the prophets that are correct and that such prophecies failed.
If Judas could have acted to the contrary, God must not have known. But if it is true that God knows everything, and that all things are laid bare before him, that he declares the end from the beginning, in what sense could Judas have chosen to do contrary to what God knew he would do? It seems then that to say that Judas could have acted to the contrary, one would have to believe that either God did not know what Judas would do or that Judas could have frustrated God’s will. And to say that God did not know what Judas would do is indeed a view of God rejected by historic Christian orthodoxy. It amounts to a denial of divine omniscience and understands there to be imperfection in God. It does not help to say that God knows future events like a man sitting on a mountain looking down at the bending road (Boethius). That view of divine knowledge separates knowledge from the divine will. In that case, things happen, not because God sovereignly willed them, but because man is completely free, and God is just observing man’s free choices. In this case now we compromise divine sovereignty while in the former attempt we compromise divine omniscience. Neither choice is acceptable if we are to maintain a high view of God as revealed in Scripture.
If Judas could have acted to the contrary, God’s will is capable of being frustrated by man. And indeed this is the case when some men claim that God wants to save all men without exception. Does the divine decree depend upon the free choice of man? Or is the free choice of man folded into the divine decree? Surely the latter must be the case if we are to avoid outright contradiction in Christian theology. There is no defect in God, in knowledge, power, and veracity. His decree cannot therefore be changed because of a mistake of ignorance, or of inability to carry out his decree, or of unfaithfulness to his purpose.[8] Isaiah says my counsel shall stand. Some Christians misunderstand this verse to mean something like God’s advice or commandments. Actually, the Hebrew word for counsel is etsah. In this context it clearly does not refer to advice. Rather it means counsel, i.e. plan, purpose, design, plot.[9] God immediately follows this statement with “and I will accomplish my purpose.” This points us to the singular nature of God’s purpose and to the fact that He is more than powerful enough to accomplish it.
If Judas could have acted to the contrary, then Scripture can be broken. If Jesus was right when he said that Judas had to go the way he did in order to fulfill Scripture, then Judas was not free to act to the contrary. But if Judas was free to act to the contrary, then the Scriptures are breakable. The ramifications here are far-reaching. If it is true that Scripture can be broken, the results are devastating to Biblical Christianity. If God has acted in history to reveal himself, and the Scriptures are the inspired and revealed interpretation of those acts of revelation, and it is shown that Scripture cannot be fully trusted, then it follows that Christianity is on the weakest of ground. The nature of Scripture is such that God moved in history in acts of revelation to people of his choosing. Scripture is God’s revealed interpretation of his acts of revelation in history. If it is untrustworthy, then Christianity is just one religion among hundreds of millions.
If Judas could have acted to the contrary, then it was possible for Jesus to have been wrong. Jesus could not have been more emphatic about Judas final destination. Jesus said it would have been better for Judas if he had not been born. Jesus based his statement on what he knew from Scripture and what His Father had revealed to him. In fact, Jesus called Judas the ho huios tēs apōleias, the son of destruction. Is it actually possible that Jesus could have been wrong about his description of Judas? If Judas could have freely chosen to do the contrary, then it is necessarily the case that Jesus was wrong. What Jesus should have said is, if Judas does what I think he will do, then he is the son of destruction. But Jesus described Judas in a certain way and said clearly that it was better for Judas if he had never been born. This is patently false if it were possible for Judas to choose not to betray Christ. If Jesus was right, then Judas’ future was fixed by the predetermined plan and eternal purpose of God and he was in no sense free to do the contrary. Judas was only free to betray Christ and he made that choice freely without coercion. But make no mistake about it, to say that Judas could have done otherwise spells the end of Christianity as we know it. We are saying that it was possible that Jesus could have been a false prophet when we say that Judas could have done otherwise. That is the logical conclusion. The choice here then is between human free will or divine sovereignty; human autonomy or divine freedom; man is in control of his own destiny or God is in control of all things declaring the end from the beginning. Either God is absolutely free or man is absolutely free. If there is an absolutely free being, there can be only one. And since Christianity claims that God has revealed himself to be such a being, then there can be no other being who is absolutely free. This would be a logical contradiction.
If this perspective of free will is correct, then it is quite possible that we have prophecies in the OT that have proven to be false because of their dependency on human free will. And indeed, some liberal scholars argue that this is actually the case. Historic Christian orthodoxy would deny such outrageous conclusions as does a straightforward exegesis of Scripture. The divine decree is unconditional, or absolute. This means, that its execution does not depend on anything that has not itself been decreed.[10] This means that God decreed that Christ would be crucified, and, included in that decree was all the necessary free choices of human beings that would go into actualizing that event. And in a way that is beyond our ability to fully comprehend, God worked his plan without forcing men against their will to make the decisions that were necessary to bring the crucifixion to past. This the Church calls divine providence.
The apostle Paul helps us take up the proper response to this very important question. If God has willed that men perform wicked acts, and it is also true that God’s will cannot be resisted or frustrated in any way, then how can God hold men responsible for acting in accord with his sovereign will? The point this question is making is that this way of thinking seems to impugn the goodness and justice of God. How is this just?
To answer this question, we turn to Romans 9 where Paul helps us identify the proper Christian response to the objection. Paul says in v. 13 that God loved Jacob and hated Esau even before they were born and had done anything right or wrong. Therefore, God did not see anything in these two men from his eternal perspective that made him choose Jacob over the Esau. God’s choice was not based on anything in the men or anything the men had done, but on his eternal decree, on his purpose. The objector in v. 14 will say, Is there injustice with God? In other words, how is such a choice just? Both men are equal. How could it be just to choose the one and reject the other? The modern opponent will say this is either unjust or it is arbitrary. But it is neither as we shall see. Paul explains that there is no injustice with God at all and that God has full right to have mercy on whomever he chooses. In v. 16 Paul emphasizes that it does not depend on the will of men or on efforts of men and this would include men’s decisions. God does not show mercy to men depending on the will and efforts and decisions of men. God’s basis for choosing to show mercy is located in God and it is in accord with his plan, his purpose which is known only to himself. Paul points us to Pharaoh, in whose place I insert Judas. Paul says that God raised up Pharaoh (Judas) for this very purpose; to put his power on display! God has mercy on whomever he wills and whomever he wills, he hardens. God’s mercy and God’s hardening are according to God’s decree, his will. In v. 19 the objector returns and asks, what we might consider a very reasonable question: Why does God still find fault then? For no man can resist or frustrate the will of God! Not Pharaoh and not Judas! How does Paul answer this question? Does he seek to get God off the hook of this apparent contradiction? He does not. Paul makes no such effort. Rather, he tells the objector to shut their mouth in no uncertain terms. But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? (Rom. 9:20-21) While this answer will leave many wanting for more, that is exactly the warning we should all observe very carefully. Nothing more came. And perhaps, nothing more is coming even in eternity. God expects us to take our proper place and ask nothing of him that he himself has determined we have no right to know.
Does this answer accord with Scripture? I think it most assuredly does. Is this answer reasonable? In other words, is it logically plausible to say that God has ordained the wicked acts of men as well as the punishment for performing those acts? I believe it is. It does not follow that because Judas could not have chosen otherwise, that he was not free in the choice that he made. Judas freely chose to act in a way that was in perfect accord with God’s will. The only way injustice could be legitimately accused of God is if 1) it can be proven that God can only act upon the will of men so as to force them against their will to carry out his plan, and 2) that no man living deserves to be treated in this way. The presupposition behind the objection is that unless God had “forced” men against their will to fall into sin, they would not have done so. Such a presupposition is completely baseless and contradicts Scripture at every turn. There is no contradiction in saying that God ordained that Adam would freely choose to eat of the tree. Another issue that the discussion raises concerns the value of evil. Christopher Green notes, “Theists need not explain particular evils in light of the more general good of freedom. If we are convinced that, for all we know, God will use particular events to perform some sufficiently-valuable demonstration in the future, then theists can avoid difficult territory pertaining to the value or precondition of freedom.[11] In other words, freedom is unnecessary as a high value in order to permit evil. There could be another “higher value” such as God’s glory that justifies the existence of evil. And indeed that is the case in my view.
Now, the inconsistency of those who would demand libertarian free will while also holding to an exclusive view of Christianity find themselves in not a small dilemma. This dilemma is demonstrated in the follow ways. The dilemma arises for those who hold to a traditional evangelical view of Scripture and of God. The gospel of Christ saves and only the gospel of Christ saves. Apart from the gospel, there is no faith, and where there is no faith, there can be no salvation. Yet we know that millions of people die every year never having heard the gospel of Jesus Christ. For these people, those who reject the position in this paper, would contend that they are subject to the eternal wrath and damnation of a holy God. But if these people never heard the gospel, this would mean that they never had a chance to even consider Christ. And if they never had a chance to make a free choice regarding Christ, how then can God damn them for rejecting Christ? For how can they reject the Christ if they have never heard of him? How can a just God condemn sinners for rejecting a gospel that they have never heard? Essentially, those rejecting the position of this paper are claiming on the one hand that God would be unjust for condemning Judas if he could not have chosen the contrary while at the same time claiming that God is just to condemn those who had no choice afforded to them by way of a gospel presentation. Ouch! Would not a good and just God at minimum give these millions and millions and even billions of people a chance to choose Christ? The problem gets worse for those who argue that God sincerely wants to save all men without exception. In other words, God literally is trying to save as many people as will allow him to save them. This essentially means the kind of God these people are placing their faith in is a frustrated God. Not only is he not able to save every person he wants to save, there are millions upon millions to whom he can’t even get the gospel. If God really is trying to save everyone without exception, then there is no other conclusion to reach but that God is frustrated.  This means that God is literally disappointed in exactly the same way we experience disappointment. But Scripture does not describe God in this way. Anthropopathic language is used of God so that we can have a glimpse into God’s view of human behavior but that fact cannot be pressed too far. Doing so places the entire Christian worldview in jeopardy. God condescends in his communicative act in order that we may understand him. This view is not only consistent with Christian philosophy and theology; it is essential if we are to understand anything about our infinite God. If we take the contrary view, Christianity unravels doctrine by doctrine, beginning with our doctrine of God.
If God wanted to save all men without exception, he would send the gospel to all men. God has not sent the gospel to all men. Therefore, it is not the case that God wants to save all men without exception.
While it is beyond the scope of this paper to go into detail, it should be noted that I am in no way arguing that God is the author or chargeable cause of sin or evil in the world. That God decreed all that would come to pass is affirmed, but that decree, where evil is concerned, is according to second causes. I will return to this in a follow-up paper on the defense of reformed theology. God is sovereign over all creation and nothing happens that God has not decreed. Man is acts freely in all he does and is responsible for all his choices. Both of these propositions are true because both are clearly taught in Scripture. As explained above, they do not contradict one another when understood in the light of Scripture in total. In closing, Robert Reymond notes, “What reformed theology denies is that a man’s will is never free from God’s decree, his own intellection, limitations, parental training, habits, and (in this life) the power of sin. In sum, there is no such thing as the liberty of indifference; that is, no one’s will is an island unto itself, undetermined or unaffected by anything.”[12]
[1] The Westminster Shorter Catechism: With Scripture Proofs, 3rd edition. (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1996).
[2] William G. T. Shedd, Dogmatic Theology V1 (publication place: Kessinger Publishing, LLC, 2010), 398.
[3] Ibid., 398-399
Wallace Daniel B. Wallace, Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics
[4] Martin M. Culy and Mikeal C. Parsons, Acts: A Handbook on the Greek Text, Baylor Handbook on the Greek New Testament (Waco, TX: Baylor University Press, 2003), 37.
[5] William G. T. Shedd, Dogmatic Theology V1 (publication place: Kessinger Publishing, LLC, 2010), 399.
[6] Ibid., 400.
[7] G K. Beale, A New Testament Biblical Theology: The Unfolding of the Old Testament in the New (Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker Academic, ©2011), 465.
[8][8] William G. T. Shedd, Dogmatic Theology V1 (publication place: Kessinger Publishing, LLC, 2010), 401.
[9] David J. A. Clines, ed., The Dictionary of Classical Hebrew (Sheffield, England: Sheffield Academic Press; Sheffield Phoenix Press, 1993–2011), 528.
[10] William G. T. Shedd, Dogmatic Theology V1 (publication place: Kessinger Publishing, LLC, 2010), 401.
[11] David E. Alexander and Daniel M. Johnson, eds., Calvinism and the Problem of Evil (Eugene, OR: Pickwick Publications, 2016), 246, accessed February 3, 2017,
[12] Robert L. Reymond, A New Systematic Theology of the Christian Faith (Nashville: T. Nelson, ©1998), 373.

Wednesday, April 6, 2016

Responding to Adam Tucker’s Response to Fred Butler: Apologetic Method


In the interest of transparency, I am a reformed Baptist. John MacArthur is my favorite pastor/preacher on the national stage. I follow and admire Fred Butler’s blog and find his perspective to be spot on most of the time. I studied apologetics under Norman Geisler and then shifted to the materials of Van Til, Bahnsen, Frame, Oliphint, and even studied under Mike Butler for a couple of years. Hence, I am of the Van Til stripe for the most part. I love Cliff McManis’ book, “Biblical Apologetics.” I think he is mostly right, even when he is critical of philosophy, a field I enjoy. So, I am not neutral concerning the disagreement between Adam and Fred.
Since this is a subject that is near and dear to my heart, I thought I would offer my own response to Adam’s criticism of Fred’s position because, well, Fred’s position is just about identical to my own. More importantly however, I believe there is tremendous damage being done to the body of Christ by way of Adam’s method of apologetics. I believe the classical method is responsible for producing many false converts within Christian churches. There are a number of people in our churches who are there because the evidence was compelling, not because they were given faith to believe. They followed the formulas, examined the logic, and the evidence and concluded that Christianity is probably true and here they are, holding hands with us claiming to love God while believing that God probably exists, Jesus probably rose from the dead, and the Bible is probably the Word of God. And folks, if it feels like that is a problem, you are right: it is a problem. In fact, it is a deadly serious problem. I will come back to this in my summary.

First, it is interesting that the post begins with a poisoning the well/begging the question fallacy as Fred classifies his brand of presuppositional apologetics (as opposed to my classical apologetics) as “what [he] like[s] to call biblical apologetics.”

I don’t think Cliff McManis poisoned the well when he wrote his book, “Biblical Apologetics.” I don’t believe that Milton Terry poisoned the well when he titled his book, “Biblical Hermeneutics.” And I don’t think Fred poisoned the well when he refers to his method as biblical apologetics. All Fred is looking to do is signify that his method begins with the Bible. For Adam to point this out strikes me as desperate if not potentially a bit disingenuous. Adam misses the mark on this point. Perhaps he can do better on his next point.

Given the kind of being man is, we gain knowledge about reality, at least initially, by sensing, and forming judgements [sic] about, sensible things.

Notice that Adam claims we gain knowledge about reality, at least initially, through the senses. Well, grammatically speaking, the statement is very difficult to follow, and hence, nearly impossible to analyze. The reason is simple: initially, one does not gain knowledge. One only gains knowledge if he possesses knowledge initially. To gain knowledge is to increase existing knowledge. I am not convinced that Adam meant to use the word “gain” in his argument. It places him in the very awkward position of having to explain how one adds more to a thing that they do not possess in the first place. When the first man, Adam, was created, he knew nothing, if our Adam is right. He possessed no knowledge whatsoever (at least if I understand our Adam) until he began investigating the reality around him. And without any knowledge whatsoever, one has to ask how the first man, Adam, began to know anything at all. How did Adam know He was a man? Where did that knowledge come from? Moreover, how did Adam know anything about knowledge? Quite simply, Adam could not attain any knowledge whatsoever from his initial state of no knowledge. Without some knowledge, even the slightest knowledge is impossible. You must know something if you are going to know anything at all. A priori knowledge is absolutely necessary in order for human beings to possess a posteriori knowledge. Now, this all raises the question as to what knowledge is in the first place. But we will come back to that later, if not in this post, perhaps in a follow-up post. Adam’s second point is epistemically implausible. There is simply no way that a posteriori knowledge can exist apart from a priori knowledge. To say that we know, initially by sense experience, ignores the role of the mind in the epistemic process. Adam misses his epistemic target by miles, not inches.
Adam continues to make his case that man’s knowledge of God is intermediate:

In other words, just as the Scriptures attest (cf., John 1:18, 6:46; 1 Tim. 6:16; 1 John 4:12), we do not have direct knowledge of the divine essence. We reason from effect to cause resulting in finite, but true, knowledge of God via things (1 Cor. 13:12).

Do these texts actually say what Adam says they say? Adam says these texts attest that men do not have direct knowledge of the divine essence. How does Adam do on this point? Well, John 1:18 does not even mention the word knowledge. He simply states what has been stated in other places in Scripture; that no one has see God at any time. He goes on to say that Jesus Christ has explained God and I would argue, done so in a more thorough way than previous revelation has done, and that is John’s point. Jesus Christ has explained the Father, being God in the flesh. This is the crescendo of divine revelation. Moreover, the knowledge of God we receive from the Christ event is not the sort of knowledge of God that is in question in this dispute. There is a marked difference between the saving knowledge of God and the knowledge of God all men possess as a result of regeneration. So John 1:18 does not say that man does not have direct knowledge of God. The same comments that apply to John 1:18 apply to John 6:46. Moreover, if we are to take Adam seriously in regard to how he seems to understand 1 Tim. 6:16, we end in skepticism. No one has seen God and this includes all humans, even Christians. And if Adam understands οραω to mean know, then no one knows God. This means the first man Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and a host of others did not actually possess knowledge of God. This view, as you can see, leads to a radical skepticism. 1 John 4:12 says exactly the same thing as the other texts. The problem is that not one of these texts suggests that men cannot have direct knowledge of God. What Adam is doing is presupposing that if men cannot see God, they cannot know Him because all knowledge comes through the senses. And that is exactly what we are disputing. Adam is presupposing what he needs to prove. Adam misses the mark on this point as well. So far, Adam has not been able to sustain a single point in his response to Fred.

Be that as it may, from a strictly grammatical standpoint, Fred’s understanding of this
passage seems amiss. Romans 1:19 says, “Since what can be known about God is evident among them [or within them], because God has shown it to them” (HCSB).

Adam makes the accusation that Fred commits Eisegesis in his interpretation of Romans 1:19. The Greek text reads: φανερόν στιν ν ατος· θες γρ ατος φανέρωσεν; is evident in them; for God made it evident to them.” To whom? The language is universal; all men everywhere. What is true about all men everywhere? That which is known about God is evident within them, for God made it evident to them. The same people that possess knowledge about God are the same ones that God makes Himself it evident or plain. Adam makes a big deal out the difference between the words for “evident” in this text. Adam’s comment, “Though the words for “evident” in this verse are related, they have slightly different meanings” are very interesting. The words are more than a little related. It is the same Greek word with different forms. One form is an adjective in the nominative case while the other form is an indicative verb in the aorist tense. That is the reason one clause is an action clause while the other is descriptive. It’s the same word, not two related words. Now, it also seems lost on Adam that this verse is a subordinate clause which means it is dependent on the main clause which is found up in v18. Paul begins v19 with the adverbial causal conjunction διότι. The cause for the wrath of God being poured out on these men who suppress the truth in unrighteous is simply this: The knowledge God was something they possessed, for God made sure they possessed it. God made it so plain to them that they are left without excuse. They are guilty of suppressing the truth. They are preventing and restraining the truth of God. They willingly hold down the truth of God. It’s all about context. Adam says that we can infer from effect to cause. And he is correct in one sense. But that only begs the question. The reason we can make such inferences is because Christianity is true. God did create the world and all that is in it. God is the ultimate cause of all that came to be. But that is not the issue. The issue concerns that which Paul is revealing to us in Romans 1 about man’s knowledge of God and, how man has behaved toward that knowledge. While v20 points out that every fact of reality testifies about God, v21 points out something far more direct. διότι γνόντες τν θεν is abundantly clear; For although they knew God. The NASB, NIV84, ESV, NET, and HCSB all render this Greek construction essentially the same. It cannot be interpreted any other way than that these people knew God! All of them! And they all do exactly the same thing with this knowledge of God: they suppress it! So, as Paul’s argument progresses, he explains that the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteous of men who are suppressing the truth of God in unrighteousness. He says the cause of this wrath is that these men have the knowledge of God within them and that God has made it plain to them. He goes on then to say that every fact of reality testifies to God’s existence. So we have both an internal and an external witness of God. And finally, Paul says although they knew God, they did not honor him as God. This harkens back to v18 where Paul said these men suppress the truth of God in unrighteousness. The entire context of Romans 1 screams that all men possess innate knowledge of God. They are in possession of the truth of God. The problem is that they refuse to acknowledge these facts. And this is because of sin. Again, v25 says that these men exchanged the truth of God for a lie. That men are in possession of the truth and that men have been given knowledge of God seems to be undeniable if we give Romans 1 a fair hearing, allowing it to speak for itself. Clearly, Adam’s point in this case fails to hit its mark.
Another point that Adam introduces seems to fair no better:

Jesus obviously taught these men, performed miracles as signs for these men, etc. and did not reference some innate knowledge of Himself these men were supposed to have.

Nothing could be father from the truth. “And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.” (Matt. 16:17) “It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught of God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.” (John 6:45) “As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.” (1 Jn. 2:27) “All things have been handed over to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.” (Lu. 10:22) “For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them.” (Rom 2:14-15) Miracles are not the variable that brings men to a true belief that Christ is who He said He is. Miracles may give cause to accept claims on a superficial level, but not on the level of true belief and certainly not on the level of true knowledge. When belief is based on such superficial ground, it is subject to revision and abandonment, just as we see take place in the New Testament. This lends itself to my false-convert comments at the opening of this post. Have we ignored the fact that Jesus’ disciples all forsook Him and His culture killed him in the end? Additionally, revisions of beliefs are an inherent component of the inductive method of classical apologetics. That method tells us that we can never be sure and that we should always leave room new conclusions based on adjustments to our hypotheses should new evidence come to light. This is a deadly problem for Christian belief. It is antithetical to Christian theism top to bottom.

Furthermore, we see an appeal to creation as it relates to knowing God’s existence and nature in many places throughout Scripture (cf., Ps. 19:1-4; Acts 14:16-17, 17:24-29).

Ps. 19:1-4 is a statement of fact. It is special revelation informing us that the heavens declare the glory of God. And they do! But Ps. 19:1-4 is not a logical syllogism telling us that we should infer that there is a god somewhere because creation proves it. Far from it. Acts 14:16-17 is also not a logical syllogism attempting to show that it is probably true that God exists. Far from it! It is a declaration of God’s common grace on all of humanity. Finally, Acts 17:24-29 is not a philosophical diatribe in which Paul concludes, therefore God exists, or worse, therefore God probably exists. All the wishful thinking in the world will not produce such a conclusion. Paul never attempts, not once, to argue that God (or probably) exists. Everywhere Paul is recorded to preach the message of the gospel, he assumes, or better, presupposes that God exists and that men know that God exists. Acts 17 is no exception. There are no appeals within Scripture to any arguments that attempt to persuade men to believe that God exists. Scripture presupposes God everywhere, and never attempts to convince men that God exists. Men know that God is there. The problem is that unregenerate men convince themselves that the God that is there is somehow, a different sort of god. They suppress the truth from God. It is true that God reveals details about Himself through Scripture. Adam confuses and conflates these incidents with natural revelation in an attempt to prop up his Roman Catholic method of apologetics. Adam fails to hit this target on this point as well.

Aside from some minor differences, as a classical apologist this is essentially my position! Because we are human beings our minds are able to be written upon in certain ways such that we can know reality. From our knowledge of “the world and how it operates” our minds naturally reason to the fact that there must be an uncaused cause that simply is Being/Existence itself sustaining everything else in existence. There is more work to be done from this truth in order to show that this is the God of the Bible and that Christianity as a whole is true, but on this point at least, I am glad I can welcome Fred to my side of the debate in practice even if not in principle. For, once one actually starts doing apologetics, it is very difficult to do anything other than classical apologetics even as one verbally denies its merits.

In truth, there are significant differences between the classical approach and the presuppositional approach when it comes to defending the Christian worldview. For starters, the classical approach fits seamlessly within the Roman Catholic version of the gospel. For those of us who are truly Protestant in our confession, and in our Christianity, such an approach simply will not do. Adam, in his approach, has assigned a measure of self-sufficiency to man. Man is capable of examining brute facts and inferring from these facts (that are supposedly just there) to the conclusion that God probably exists. But this is impossible since there is no such thing as brute fact, and since fallen man has been hopelessly affected in his thinking by the fall. The truth is that we simply do not witness this classical approach to apologetics anywhere in Scripture. It is absent from Scripture from Genesis to Revelation.

Adam claims that knowledge begins with sense experience and proceeds from there. But why must we accept his claim? What exactly is sense experience and what role does the human mind play in cataloguing it? How does the mind know to order reality in the way it does? That knowledge does not come through sense experience. Adam claims that our minds are written upon by sense experience. I have to confess that this scenario seems more than a little outrageous. The truth of the matter is that we impose our worldview on the things we experience rather than the other way around. And that is the basic difference between classical apologetics and presuppositional apologetics. The human mind is active in the knowing process contrary to Adam’s approach, which seems to suggest that the mind is passively written upon by sense experience. In that scheme, the skeptics rightly conclude that knowledge about is something man could never attain. Skepticism wins the day.

Adam presumes that there is some sort of agreement between the believer and unbeliever about how the world operates. This is simply not the case. The unbeliever sees a world that is operating by impersonal laws of nature, the random product of time and chance. This world sprang into existence millions of years ago as the result of an accident of nature. The Christian sees the world differently. Knowledge of reality is possible and works the way it does only because the Christian worldview is true. God created the universe and all that is in it. He created man with an innate knowledge of Himself and man is capable of gaining knowledge about his world because, initially, he knows His creator, has been created in God’s image, and is designed to gain knowledge in precisely the manner in which he does. “It is important to understand powerful philosophical errors, both in original and in subsequent adaptations of thought, which have shaped the whole cultures, as well as our own outlook, without our knowing it.” [Meek, Loving to Know: Covenantal Epistemology]

Just to keep things painfully simple, Adam, like most classical apologists, claims that men do not possess innate knowledge of God. In response to this, Paul says, where unregenerate men are concerned, in Romans 1:21, “For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.” Stay tuned.


The Myth of Grey Areas

 In this short article, I want to address what has become an uncritically accepted Christian principle. The existence of grey areas. If you ...