tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4201628496305035793.post8959803686734008251..comments2024-03-17T03:12:26.931-04:00Comments on Reformed Reasons: Mark Driscoll and John MacArthur’s Strange Fire ConferenceEd Dingesshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14007054168398086809noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4201628496305035793.post-50909493457432185802013-10-18T22:32:38.322-04:002013-10-18T22:32:38.322-04:00IMO - if a gift of healing is real then why would ...IMO - if a gift of healing is real then why would anyone think that a person would heal more than Jesus - even He didn't heal everyone. In fact, He only did what He saw the Father doing. Pharoah tried to "make" Jesus perform a miracle just out if mockery. God is not in the business of putting on a show just for you. He is in the business of reconciliation. Signs are meant to point you to the inner work God wants to do in your life - make all things new... become a new creation - in Christ. It's not just a show. IMO Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01430542078176942032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4201628496305035793.post-90083080556427901362013-10-18T22:24:52.545-04:002013-10-18T22:24:52.545-04:00When Jesus was on this earth even He did not heal ...When Jesus was on this earth even He did not heal all who were sick - so what makes you think that someone with a gift of healing would do any different? In my opinion, someone - if they truly had a gift of healing - would do it the way Jesus did. Pure obedience. Jesus only did what He saw the Father doing. This is why not everyone was healed - it was God led. God chose to heal some and God chose not to heal others. Plain and simple. Besides that... One of God's names is Yehovah Rapha - the God who heals. It is in God's nature to heal - not just physically, but His chief aim is to give us new hearts and make us new creations. Any time God does something physical it is a sign pointing to what He wants to do in us Spiritually. Restore, make new. IMO Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01430542078176942032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4201628496305035793.post-762673335506361162013-10-11T01:13:51.642-04:002013-10-11T01:13:51.642-04:00I will accept your challenge, but rather than a ho...I will accept your challenge, but rather than a hospital lets go to a mall or a Walmart. There are lots of sick folks at any public gathering that need a miracle and not a pill. I regularly see people healed when I pray for them as I go about my daily business. Some dont get immediate healing, but they all are thankful that they received the love of Jesus in a tangible way. My name is Cary Voss from Victoria, Texas. You can email me at GodsElect@mail.com.Dr.Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07758871928393485686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4201628496305035793.post-58537523140534278442013-09-20T17:40:13.505-04:002013-09-20T17:40:13.505-04:00Well...once again...if healing is provided for ALL...Well...once again...if healing is provided for ALL in the atonement and all that is required is faith, then everyone should be healed. What is your argument against this view? Either healing is provided for in the atonement or it is not. Both the Assemblies of God and the Church of God make this assertion in their statements of faith. I was a pentecostal when I was young. I am intimately familiar with what they say. Jesus called false teachers vipers. Paul scolded them harshly as did Peter. False teachers are a scourge to the Church and especially those who teach the greed gospel of charismatics. Ed Dingesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05761345786829868810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4201628496305035793.post-85820615846211884982013-09-20T17:27:49.938-04:002013-09-20T17:27:49.938-04:00I find it difficult to read these comments because...I find it difficult to read these comments because there is so much anger from both side. I thought this was a Christian forum but the attitude and the words spewing out are sarcastic and filled with anger. I suppose one can say it's a righteous indignation... <br /><br />When secessionists talk about healing, they think people with the gift of healing can heal everyone. Where do you get that? Finding and using the most extreme cases to support the secessionist view to me is just as faulty as charismatics saying if you have gift you can heal everyone and anyone. Jesus himself did not heal everyone. In fact, he left many waiting at Simon Peter's mother-in-laws house and left to the next town. But Jesus did heal those who came to him the previous night. <br /><br />Since Jesus said, he only did the things the Father told him... i am assuming healing were done in the same way... directed by God, healing people whom God has directed! That is my understanding of the gift of Healing... you pray for healing not because you can, but because He told you to.<br /><br />Why is there such a division on things of the Holy Spirit when it is so evidently presented in the Bible... but my point is regardless of where you stand.. let us use words and expression with desire to understand not to condemn. Blessings.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08412473713245838925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4201628496305035793.post-55192936354038918222013-09-20T14:27:52.571-04:002013-09-20T14:27:52.571-04:00They claim all one needs is faith. They claim heal...They claim all one needs is faith. They claim healing is provided for all in the atonement. Therefore, they should be able to heal the sick and raise the dead whenever they want. Or does their faith vary like the ebb and flow of the tide? Up one day, down the next. Loud mouth arrogant men who say a lot and NEVER EVER do anything. Produce one resurrection...just one...It seems to me that with all the bloviating and bragging someone would be able to give us something more than words and books. Empty faith!Ed Dingesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05761345786829868810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4201628496305035793.post-68350605323350382572013-09-17T10:24:42.019-04:002013-09-17T10:24:42.019-04:00Interesting perspective.
However, using the appro...Interesting perspective.<br /><br />However, using the approach of your final paragraph would require you to discount the validity of the ministry of Paul, for example. He left some sick, and encouraged others to pursue a practical remedy to an ailment.<br /><br />Continuationists do not claim to heal every person who is sick. That is a straw man, pure and simple.Real Estate Marketerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12359894076926368987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4201628496305035793.post-88220414087571382122013-08-11T21:25:10.285-04:002013-08-11T21:25:10.285-04:00Hey, I appreciate your challenge to call people to...Hey, I appreciate your challenge to call people to living out their theological claims. I think we're just beginning to see people have faith enough to not believe in the power of God to move in these ways today, but to actually believe it to happen right here, right now in their own lives. So I imagine many of those people you debated with were somewhere in the middle of that continuum.<br /><br />I would balance your challenge, however, with a challenge to you. I don't know you, but it seems to me that many cessationalist (if indeed, you are one) tend to have not <i>had</i> to rely on the Spirit for these kinds of gifts and miracles. I come from a rough background so theology alone or mere civilized Christianity wasn't enough. I had nothing so I needed what only the miraculous power of the Spirit of God could do. <br /><br />Same with the third world: many believers there don't have access to hospitals or wealth so they rely on God moving miraculously. I think there's a reason the charismatic movement started in the West with poor people of color and generally has an opposition made up of white, middle-class folks. <br /><br />As far as your comment about healers/miracle workers being active today and making a distinction between that and when God heals somebody - I think most within the Pentacostal movement would say that it is God doing all the healing, but some have faith for it. And that's a Biblically sound assertion. <br /><br />Lastly I'll say this, orderly worship is good. But what I've found within even much of the most charismatic circles is people who are just as dumbfounded by weird outpourings of the Spirit as anyone else. But they realize that they genuinely are seeing people's lives changed for Jesus, seeing healings happen before their eyes and are having existential encounters with the Lord, like many in the Old and New testament, rather only studying Him. I've heard some say, "I think only 60% of what happened in such and such revival was authentically from God. But I'll take that over a place that doesn't believe God to do anything."<br /><br />Oh I guess one more personal thought: It's actually the Lord speaking to me audibly and Him miraculously moving in my life that led me to be more theologically Reformed. It was <i>His</i> power. Not mine.J Mayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05635800540249827576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4201628496305035793.post-43177174759313878802013-06-23T07:11:44.889-04:002013-06-23T07:11:44.889-04:00When these claims of the miraculous prove undeniab...When these claims of the miraculous prove undeniable, like those of Christ and the Apostles, and they are certified miracles, only then will I reconsider my position. Until then, these men should shut up about healings and miracles because they look foolish and they make Christianity look foolish.<br /><br />My article NEVER said that God cannot or even does not perform miracles if He so chooses. Work on your reading habits please. My article denies the pentecostal assertions that 1. Healers and miracle workers are present today. 2. That tongues (miraculous ability to speak a language) are still present in the church. 3. That prophets and apostles are still offices operating today.Ed Dingesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05761345786829868810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4201628496305035793.post-76383983887375757042013-06-23T02:16:19.289-04:002013-06-23T02:16:19.289-04:00Just a thought in regard to your closing statement...Just a thought in regard to your closing statement. Has it ever occurred to you that Jesus said it's wicked generation that seeks after a sign? Or perhaps you'll recall Herod who desired that Jesus preform a miracle to validate himself? I applaud you for your devotion to scripture and the integrity thereof, however, to challenge someone to get in the car and go "heal" someone is tantamount to my asking you to "show me" who the elect are. I'm not elevating my experience to the level or scripture and I do indeed take what is preached to the word as the bar for truth. I'm not suggesting that everything that goes on in every Pentecostal church is of God any more than I would make the claim that everything that goes on in a reformed church is of God. I do think however, that God can still preform miracles if he chooses to. I've personally seen things that would meet the biblical criteria for being labeled as miracles--not the least of which is someone being truly born again. To reduce the validation of the ministry of the Holy Ghost to a parlor trick to satisfy you're encumbered mind is a dangerous thing brother. I'm sure this won't be posted, in fact I'm not even sure it will ever reach you--so in closing I have this to say: If a man were given the bible and the bible alone and were to read it you would have to have a conference to convince Him that God doesn't still do miracles. Just a little food for thought.Gifford's Spothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11796371708695378621noreply@blogger.com