tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4201628496305035793.post8476729954163547760..comments2024-03-17T03:12:26.931-04:00Comments on Reformed Reasons: Review of Jesse Johnson’s “Way of the Master” Seminar – Shepherd’s ConferenceEd Dingesshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14007054168398086809noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4201628496305035793.post-59076848044192275422018-01-19T07:52:01.081-05:002018-01-19T07:52:01.081-05:00Beyond the reasonableness of the way of the Master...Beyond the reasonableness of the way of the Master approach or not, the "Way of the Master" Jesus is not to sell His gospel, making merchandise of His sheep in His church. 1 Corinthians 9 18Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4201628496305035793.post-83575850729876001462015-03-25T20:43:35.713-04:002015-03-25T20:43:35.713-04:00Because it is not the law of Moses that is written...Because it is not the law of Moses that is written on the heart per se, but the moral law which only composes certain aspects of the law of Moses. What we would say is that the Law of God is administered differently in the divine covenants but that each covenant is an expression of the law of God to one degree or another. The aspects of the Law of Moses that are also shared with the Law of God are written on the hearts of men and do apply to the Gentiles. I ope that makes sense.Ed Dingesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14007054168398086809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4201628496305035793.post-55418442395979139982015-03-22T22:42:55.574-04:002015-03-22T22:42:55.574-04:00Why would it not be appropriate to use the Law of ...Why would it not be appropriate to use the Law of Moses on a Gentile if it is written on their heart according to Romans 2?<br />Samuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15574258997862080733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4201628496305035793.post-28028672522262234012013-09-23T15:25:40.437-04:002013-09-23T15:25:40.437-04:00Ed...I'm two years late, but a friend just ema...Ed...I'm two years late, but a friend just emailed me this. Thanks for the review. It is charitable, fair, and accurately represents what I said. I appreciate that. Thanks man!Jessehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02006325636921600509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4201628496305035793.post-15541149206333514372012-09-13T23:57:13.704-04:002012-09-13T23:57:13.704-04:00Good thoughts. Thanks!Good thoughts. Thanks!The Seeking Disciplehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10850752852586928341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4201628496305035793.post-81450403410246782262012-04-15T23:09:59.865-04:002012-04-15T23:09:59.865-04:00Thanks for your review. I thought it was pretty fa...Thanks for your review. I thought it was pretty fair and balanced. I also mostly agree with Jesse. <br /><br />This whole conversation made me wonder what is the "work of the law" that is written on every man's heart. My conclusion is that it is the two greatest commandments, supreme love for God and love for others. Jesus said that the entire Law and Prophets "depends" (or hangs on) these two. This means that these two are more than merely a summary of the the Law but the pegs on which the Law depends or is suspended upon. In other words, the <br /><br />These two great commands, for Jews under the Old Covenant, were fulfilled by keeping every statute in the Mosaic Covenant. Love for God and others under the Old Covenant meant the stoning of adulterers, circumcision, the observance of feast days and dietary laws. The fulfillment of these two commands for Gentiles is different in that it doesn't include the command to rest on Saturday or observe the Passover, but obviously it includes not murdering your neighbor or lying to him etc, and not worshiping idols. What is sin for the Gentiles? Whatever the Scriptures specifically condemn them for eg Romans 1, 1 Cor 6:9-10, and wherever else in the Old or New Testaments where God indicts humanity at large.<br /><br />BTW this doesn't mean that we should never walk people through the commandments. I do so often. I'm just saying that I think it's more biblically accurate to ask unbelievers if they've kept the two great commands AND THEN ask them how many lies have they told, have they looked at a woman with lust etc. Or if you do mention the Ten Commandments, which I think is OK, just be careful that you don't tell them that they are the standard (lest they think they will be judged for working on Saturday). God's nature and character is the standard. <br /><br />Another important point that Jesse Johnson said is that we need to be careful with equating TWOTM's good person test with "THE" biblical way to share the gospel. Law to the proud and grace to the humble principle is biblical. But that doesn't mean that unless you have walked a person through the Good Person Test you haven't preached the biblical gospel to them. The main issue is that we confront sin. This can be done by discussing the two greatest commands, or what the Bible says about the human heart, or emphasizing the attributes of God and His holiness, etc. The main issue is that we confront sin. <br /><br />Just some thoughts. God bless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4201628496305035793.post-59334149164619261112012-04-11T14:50:20.284-04:002012-04-11T14:50:20.284-04:00Wow! So as we talk to sinners about sin we can NE...Wow! So as we talk to sinners about sin we can NEVER reference the 10 Commandments because it was given to the Jews and not the Gentiles? You said: "With a few tweaks, one can engage the unbeliever without referencing a Law that was never given to them even though the morality of that Law is identical to the one that exits in their conscience in many respects. Romans two makes this point unambiguous." Talk about splitting hairs! The biblical basis of bringing up the Law (do not steal, do not commit adultery, etc) is to show the sinner their sin. In their conscience they know it's wrong to do these things and therefore stand guilty before God because of their trangressions. I simply see the 10 Commandments as a tool to clearly show every person's moral failure and sin before holy God. Is this the only method of evangelism? Certainly not! But the apostle Paul agreed it certainly is effective! I appreciate you write up and insight in this issue. May we strive together for the Gospel! God bless!Eriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4201628496305035793.post-80586644529474067962012-04-10T15:48:23.138-04:002012-04-10T15:48:23.138-04:00Excellent,unbiased review.Excellent,unbiased review.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com